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#1 Spitfire

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:27 PM

I have the following system bi-amped:

1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill)
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm)
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables

What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs?

Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega.

What settings for the CE-4000?

One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A?
Thanks for the help & advice!

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 09:07 AM

What settings are you looking for?

You will not need any of the filters turned on as you are using a crossover already.
The Input Sensitivity for the CE4000 should be set to 1.4 volt setting. The Input Sensitivity for the XLS is fixed.

Other than that, if you have unity gain setup through your system, turn the amps up as loud as you need them forthe environment you are in.

Unity gain is were from the mixer to the last processing, before the amps, the levels match so everything hits peak (Zero) at about the same time.

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 12:52 PM

QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped:

1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill)
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm)
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables

What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs?

Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega.

What settings for the CE-4000?

One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A?
Thanks for the help & advice!


The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.

Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped:

1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill)
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm)
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables

What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs?

Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega.

What settings for the CE-4000?

One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A?
Thanks for the help & advice!


The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.

Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.

It would be best to ask the speaker manufacture their recommendations for a crossover setting. However, in general, subs crossover in the range of 80 to 120 Hz.
As far as cables go any good name brand should do fine like Whirlwind. ProCo, Hosa or Monster. They all make low cost and higher cost cables, that will work, it would all depend on how much you want to spend. smile.gif

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE(DGlass @ Nov 29 2005, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped:

1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill)
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm)
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables

What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs?

Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega.

What settings for the CE-4000?

One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A?
Thanks for the help & advice!


The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.

Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.

It would be best to ask the speaker manufacture their recommendations for a crossover setting. However, in general, subs crossover in the range of 80 to 120 Hz.
As far as cables go any good name brand should do fine like Whirlwind. ProCo, Hosa or Monster. They all make low cost and higher cost cables, that will work, it would all depend on how much you want to spend. smile.gif


Thanks for the info.
As for speaker cables i have one 50 ft. Monster Speakon to Speakon & one 25 ft. of the same that say NL2FC on the connector.

In the CE-4000 manual it says for outputs use male Speakon NL4C connectors for output. Can i use the speaker cables i mentioned above? Thanks for the help.

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE(DGlass @ Nov 29 2005, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped:

1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill)
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm)
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables

What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs?

Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega.

What settings for the CE-4000?

One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A?
Thanks for the help & advice!


The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.

Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.

It would be best to ask the speaker manufacture their recommendations for a crossover setting. However, in general, subs crossover in the range of 80 to 120 Hz.
As far as cables go any good name brand should do fine like Whirlwind. ProCo, Hosa or Monster. They all make low cost and higher cost cables, that will work, it would all depend on how much you want to spend. smile.gif


Thanks for the info.
As for speaker cables i have one 50 ft. Monster Speakon to Speakon & one 25 ft. of the same that say NL2FC on the connector.

In the CE-4000 manual it says for outputs use male Speakon NL4C connectors for output. Can i use the speaker cables i mentioned above? Thanks for the help.

The NL2FC is the Neutrik 2-conductor "SpeakOn" cable end connector and will plug into our SpeakOn output connectors. smile.gif

#7 Spitfire

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 06:39 PM

QUOTE(DGlass @ Nov 29 2005, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped:

1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill)
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm)
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables

What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs?

Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega.

What settings for the CE-4000?

One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A?
Thanks for the help & advice!


The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.

Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.

It would be best to ask the speaker manufacture their recommendations for a crossover setting. However, in general, subs crossover in the range of 80 to 120 Hz.
As far as cables go any good name brand should do fine like Whirlwind. ProCo, Hosa or Monster. They all make low cost and higher cost cables, that will work, it would all depend on how much you want to spend. smile.gif


Problem... I hooked up my CE-4000 (brand new, bought 8 days ago!) to the above system & everything worked fine, i turned the system off (all levels down, shut off power conditioners etc.), unplugged power conditioners from the wall outlets, next day i power up and now ch.1 doesn't work. I checked all cables, there are no fault indicators lit. Help, please thanks.

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 10:39 PM

QUOTE(Spitfire @ Dec 1 2005, 07:39 PM)
 
QUOTE(DGlass @ Nov 29 2005, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped: 
 
1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp   
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill) 
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer 
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer 
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player   
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers   
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm) 
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover   
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer   
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer   
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables 
 
What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs? 
 
Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega. 
 
What settings for the CE-4000? 
 
One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A? 
Thanks for the help & advice! 
 
  
  
The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.  
  
Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.  
  
  
It would be best to ask the speaker manufacture their recommendations for a crossover setting. However, in general, subs crossover in the range of 80 to 120 Hz.  
As far as cables go any good name brand should do fine like Whirlwind. ProCo, Hosa or Monster. They all make low cost and higher cost cables, that will work, it would all depend on how much you want to spend. smile.gif  
  
  
  
Problem... I hooked up my CE-4000 (brand new, bought 8 days ago!) to the above system & everything worked fine, i turned the system off (all levels down, shut off power conditioners etc.), unplugged power conditioners from the wall outlets, next day i power up and now ch.1 doesn't work. I checked all cables, there are no fault indicators lit. Help, please thanks.  
  
  
  
  
I would try to isolate the failure by doing some basic test procedures.  Swapping the speaker cables will verify they are not the fault.  Then Swapping the amplifier input cables will test channel 1.  If everything checks out there you know the failure is ahead if the amplifier and speakers.  Keep going back to your source to find the failure.  The system you describe has many interconnection cables, that always adds to the complexity of locating a problem especially if it is intermittent.  
Please post when you find the problem.
Bob....

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 11:56 PM

QUOTE(Bob007 @ Dec 1 2005, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Dec 1 2005, 07:39 PM)
 
QUOTE(DGlass @ Nov 29 2005, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped: 
 
1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp  
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill) 
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer 
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer 
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player  
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers  
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm) 
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover  
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer  
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer  
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables 
 
What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs? 
 
Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega. 
 
What settings for the CE-4000? 
 
One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A? 
Thanks for the help & advice! 
 


The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.  
  
Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.  
  

It would be best to ask the speaker manufacture their recommendations for a crossover setting. However, in general, subs crossover in the range of 80 to 120 Hz.  
As far as cables go any good name brand should do fine like Whirlwind. ProCo, Hosa or Monster. They all make low cost and higher cost cables, that will work, it would all depend on how much you want to spend. smile.gif  
  


Problem... I hooked up my CE-4000 (brand new, bought 8 days ago!) to the above system & everything worked fine, i turned the system off (all levels down, shut off power conditioners etc.), unplugged power conditioners from the wall outlets, next day i power up and now ch.1 doesn't work. I checked all cables, there are no fault indicators lit. Help, please thanks.  
  


  
I would try to isolate the failure by doing some basic test procedures.  Swapping the speaker cables will verify they are not the fault.  Then Swapping the amplifier input cables will test channel 1.  If everything checks out there you know the failure is ahead if the amplifier and speakers.  Keep going back to your source to find the failure.  The system you describe has many interconnection cables, that always adds to the complexity of locating a problem especially if it is intermittent.  
Please post when you find the problem.
Bob....


I done all of the above you mentioned. I tested the amp by directly plugging into the mixer by itself with no other devices hooked up. Problem found. It's the DBX crossover (piece of crap anyway) on channel 1 that's not getting a good connection and it's not the cables because i have new ones.

Can you or anyone recommend a good crossover? Ashly? Rane? or maybe a DBX driverack? Here's the thing though, if i get a new crossover then i want/need a limiter/compressor. Btw: Price range is not an issue. Thanks for the advice/help.

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 10:35 AM

QUOTE(Spitfire @ Dec 1 2005, 11:56 PM)
QUOTE(Bob007 @ Dec 1 2005, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Dec 1 2005, 07:39 PM)
 
QUOTE(DGlass @ Nov 29 2005, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 29 2005, 12:52 PM)
QUOTE(Spitfire @ Nov 17 2005, 08:27 PM)
I have the following system bi-amped: 
 
1 - Crown CE1000 Power Amp  
1 - Crown XLS602 Power Amp (Black & blue color w/ round bubble front grill) 
1 - Rane MM 8z Mojo Mixer 
1 - Mackie CFX-12 Channel Live Sound Mixer 
1 - Denon DN-D9000 Dual Pro CD Player  
1 - Pair JBL EON 1500 Passive 2-Way Speakers  
1 - Pair Cerwin Vega SUB 15 Passive Subwoofers (4 Ohm) 
1 - DBX Stereo 2-Way/Mono 3-Way Crossover  
1 - Rane ME15B Equalizer  
1 - BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer  
2 - Technics SL-1210MK2 Turntables 
 
What settings should i use for the XLS602 for the subs? 
 
Also, i have a CE-4000 that will replace the XLS-602 & a JBL JRX-118" passive sub (4ohm) that will replace a Cerwin Vega. 
 
What settings for the CE-4000? 
 
One more question. Is the a difference between a CE-4000 and a CE-4000A? 
Thanks for the help & advice! 
 


The settings i was referring to were the crossover settings.  
  
Also, what are the best input cables to use for the CE-4000? All i need are 3-6 ft. cables. Any particular brand i should use/buy? Thanks for the help.  
  

It would be best to ask the speaker manufacture their recommendations for a crossover setting. However, in general, subs crossover in the range of 80 to 120 Hz.  
As far as cables go any good name brand should do fine like Whirlwind. ProCo, Hosa or Monster. They all make low cost and higher cost cables, that will work, it would all depend on how much you want to spend. smile.gif  
  


Problem... I hooked up my CE-4000 (brand new, bought 8 days ago!) to the above system & everything worked fine, i turned the system off (all levels down, shut off power conditioners etc.), unplugged power conditioners from the wall outlets, next day i power up and now ch.1 doesn't work. I checked all cables, there are no fault indicators lit. Help, please thanks.  
  


  
I would try to isolate the failure by doing some basic test procedures.  Swapping the speaker cables will verify they are not the fault.  Then Swapping the amplifier input cables will test channel 1.  If everything checks out there you know the failure is ahead if the amplifier and speakers.  Keep going back to your source to find the failure.  The system you describe has many interconnection cables, that always adds to the complexity of locating a problem especially if it is intermittent.  
Please post when you find the problem.
Bob....


I done all of the above you mentioned. I tested the amp by directly plugging into the mixer by itself with no other devices hooked up. Problem found. It's the DBX crossover (piece of crap anyway) on channel 1 that's not getting a good connection and it's not the cables because i have new ones.

Can you or anyone recommend a good crossover? Ashly? Rane? or maybe a DBX driverack? Here's the thing though, if i get a new crossover then i want/need a limiter/compressor. Btw: Price range is not an issue. Thanks for the advice/help.

Although there are many good crossovers available most manufactures will make entry level as well as professional equipment. Not knowing the model (and please don't say  smile.gif ) it would be hard to say which the X-over is that you have. It should suffice to say that if buy an upper level device you should get better performance.
With that said I would recommend you check out the dbx Drive Rack Gear I have used all of them several times and have also been hearing good things about them. From my experiences alone I would recommend them.

#11 Bud Bolf

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 06:30 AM

Hi,
Boy, all those quotes was making me dizzy.
In regard to replacing your Crossover, I will highly recommend
the DriveRack's.
I have the DriveRack PA but if I had it to do over, I would have
gotten the DriveRack 260.
The 260 version was not yet out, when I got the PA.

I also have a CE4000 and it works great with the DriveRack.
The 260 has a Peak-Stop Limiter, which will stop a spike to the amp's if there is a power failure with the DriveRack.

Good Luck,
    Bud